[SLE] SuSE 8.1 Download?

[Alex]

Hey guys i'm sorta new to Linux here, I noticed none of the SuSE FTP
mirrors currently have 8.1 on them. Am i to understand they haven't been
released yet? If they have been, where might i find them?

Alex

[Matthew Johnson]

Post by Alex
Hey guys i'm sorta new to Linux here, I noticed none of the SuSE FTP
mirrors currently have 8.1 on them. Am i to understand they haven't been
released yet? If they have been, where might i find them?
Alex

Give it about a month or so, but you'll probably get a heads up from one
of the SuSE folk.

You won't get an ISO, but will get an FTP install, which by most
accounts is much better than ISO's...

Matt

[Z_God]

Post by Matthew Johnson

Post by Alex
Hey guys i'm sorta new to Linux here, I noticed none of the SuSE FTP
mirrors currently have 8.1 on them. Am i to understand they haven't been
released yet? If they have been, where might i find them?
Alex

Give it about a month or so, but you'll probably get a heads up from one
of the SuSE folk.
You won't get an ISO, but will get an FTP install, which by most
accounts is much better than ISO's...
Matt

Check the 8.1 dir. The readme says they will release it in the third week of
october.
It should be on all the mirrors after a few days after it has been released.
I'm really looking forward to it.

[Graham Murray]

Post by Z_God
Check the 8.1 dir. The readme says they will release it in the third week of
october.

Which means today or tomorrow.

[Rohit]

Post by Matthew Johnson
You won't get an ISO, but will get an FTP install, which by most
accounts is much better than ISO's...

And how exactly is that? Have you ever tried an FTP install from home?
Even over a cable-modem?

Rohit

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Post by Matthew Johnson
You won't get an ISO, but will get an FTP install, which by most
accounts is much better than ISO's...

And how exactly is that? Have you ever tried an FTP install from home?
Even over a cable-modem?

I think you just answered your own question there. Have you ever tried an ISO
download from home? Even over a cable modem?

With ftp installs you download what you install, no more. With ISOs you
download the lot, whether you need it or not.

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Post by Anders Johansson
I think you just answered your own question there. Have you ever tried an ISO
download from home? Even over a cable modem?

Most of us have good/decent/speedy connections at office - or some friend
of ours has the same at University, or at office - where a .ISO can be
downloaded and burnt - and then shared freely amongst 50-100 people very
well. When I needed installation media for my standalone home PC, I
preferred Red Hat ISOs to SUSE's HDD based installation. Because - RHL was
available - and becuase HDD based installation for 8.0 is BUGGY and
IMPOSSIBLE. At least I am yet to meet someone who did it successfully.

Although - I am going to dedicate my efforts in creating bootable ISOs -
when I have more time. 7 days have gone in already - and I know three ways
how it won't work.

Post by Anders Johansson
With ftp installs you download what you install, no more. With ISOs you
download the lot, whether you need it or not.

Duh ! Even a minimal download of a consistent system would be some 400 MB
of so. Fat selective improvement !!! Tried doing that successfully over a
dial-up line?

Rohit

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What do you expect if clueless management doesn't understand the way e-mail
works and decides that such a footer is appended by the server?

Luckily I won't see that disclaimer anymore and any other signature that I
decide to filter :) t-prot works like charm for me.

Now if you ask what t-prot is, it's a perl script you can plug into mutt and
which will hide TOFU, overlong signatures, mailing list footers and
adfooters. With it's sample muttrc, you can toggle between displaying ond
hiding them. You can also use it as a filter in your MTA to bounce mails.

I got the tip on the german suse-linux and promptly made packages
(t-prot needs the Getopt-Mixed perl module) for the next version of SuSE
Linux. I'll make the perl-Getopt-Mixed.rpm for 8.1 available via
pub/people/pthomas/t-prot but the t-prot package has to wait until I get
answer from its author regarding the license.

For folks that want to check it out right away, the URL is
//www.escape.de/users/tolot/mutt

[Bruce Marshall]

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Methinks you missed to entire point. It's a joke... a simple joke.

Read it again and see if it sounds real to you.

Post by Philipp Thomas
What do you expect if clueless management doesn't understand the way
e-mail works and decides that such a footer is appended by the server?
Luckily I won't see that disclaimer anymore and any other signature
that I decide to filter :) t-prot works like charm for me.
Now if you ask what t-prot is, it's a perl script you can plug into
mutt and which will hide TOFU, overlong signatures, mailing list
footers and adfooters. With it's sample muttrc, you can toggle between
displaying ond hiding them. You can also use it as a filter in your
MTA to bounce mails.
I got the tip on the german suse-linux and promptly made packages
(t-prot needs the Getopt-Mixed perl module) for the next version of
SuSE Linux. I'll make the perl-Getopt-Mixed.rpm for 8.1 available via
pub/people/pthomas/t-prot but the t-prot package has to wait until I
get answer from its author regarding the license.
For folks that want to check it out right away, the URL is
//www.escape.de/users/tolot/mutt

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Post by Philipp Thomas
What do you expect if clueless management doesn't understand the way e-mail
works and decides that such a footer is appended by the server?

IMNSHO if you do work for such clueless management, there are enough
alternative mail accounts on the net. If your management forces you to append
such footers, the answer is to not use your corporate mail account on mailing
lists. Management may be clueless, but so is the person who doesn't do such a
simple thing.

Post by Philipp Thomas
Luckily I won't see that disclaimer anymore and any other signature that I
decide to filter :) t-prot works like charm for me.
Now if you ask what t-prot is, it's a perl script you can plug into mutt
and which will hide TOFU, overlong signatures, mailing list footers and
adfooters. With it's sample muttrc, you can toggle between displaying ond
hiding them. You can also use it as a filter in your MTA to bounce mails.
I got the tip on the german suse-linux and promptly made packages
(t-prot needs the Getopt-Mixed perl module) for the next version of SuSE
Linux. I'll make the perl-Getopt-Mixed.rpm for 8.1 available via
pub/people/pthomas/t-prot but the t-prot package has to wait until I get
answer from its author regarding the license.
For folks that want to check it out right away, the URL is
//www.escape.de/users/tolot/mutt

It looks interesting. I wonder if it could be made to work with other mailers.

Anders

[Philipp Thomas]

Post by Anders Johansson
It looks interesting. I wonder if it could be made to work with other mailers.

I guess it could, but I don't know other MUAs. What you basically need
is a hook in the pager to attach your filter. But I'll leave that to
those that know their MUA and will gladly include it :)

Philipp

[Anders Johansson]

Yet another benefit to using a fake "mail sender" [1]. In a couple of minutes,
MAILER-DAEMON at t-link.de will be telling you "oops, you shouldn't have used
'reply all'" and I didn't have to :)

Post by Philipp Thomas
I guess it could, but I don't know other MUAs. What you basically need
is a hook in the pager to attach your filter. But I'll leave that to
those that know their MUA and will gladly include it :)

I will definitely look at it. kmail doesn't use a "pager" in that sense, so I
suspect one would have to some coding. I still have to rewrite my previous
hack. So much work, so little "geist" :)

Anders

[1] What is the correct terminology here? I've heard "envelope sender" a
couple of times, but I've never heard a term for the From: address in the
DATA section of the mail. Anyone?

[Christopher Mahmood]

Post by Anders Johansson
[1] What is the correct terminology here? I've heard "envelope sender" a
couple of times, but I've never heard a term for the From: address in the
DATA section of the mail. Anyone?

"Header From", "From header". Isn't English great?

[Anders Johansson]

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Post by Anders Johansson
[1] What is the correct terminology here? I've heard "envelope sender" a
couple of times, but I've never heard a term for the From: address in the
DATA section of the mail. Anyone?

"Header From", "From header".

hm, ok, thanks

Post by Christopher Mahmood
Isn't English great?

Yes it is, I love the language and I always have. This ain't it though :)

[James Oakley]

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Post by Philipp Thomas
I guess it could, but I don't know other MUAs. What you basically need
is a hook in the pager to attach your filter. But I'll leave that to
those that know their MUA and will gladly include it :)

I will definitely look at it. kmail doesn't use a "pager" in that sense, so
I suspect one would have to some coding. I still have to rewrite my
previous hack. So much work, so little "geist" :)

No coding needed. 'Settings | Configure Filters...,' use 'Pipe Through' as the
action.

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Post by James Oakley
No coding needed. 'Settings | Configure Filters...,' use 'Pipe Through' as
the action.

Hmmm, I don't *think* so. Wouldn't that actually delete the matching parts of
the mail? I think I want to keep it, just in case there's a need for it, and
just not display it on the screen unless I explicitly choose to.

Besides, I just realized that filters don't work very well at all on an imap
server. As I understand it, there's a mass of changes about to be merged. I
think I'll wait and see what goodies await.

Anders

[Ole Kofoed Hansen]

Post by Rohit

Post by Matthew Johnson
You won't get an ISO, but will get an FTP install, which by most
accounts is much better than ISO's...

And how exactly is that? Have you ever tried an FTP install from home?
Even over a cable-modem?

I have. On a 256Kb DSL line. Yast seemed to believe it would take 50 or
so hours, but it guessed wrong. I started it before going to bed, and when
I got up it was finished. That is roughly the same time it would have
taken me to download 1 CD, but SuSE is 6 CDs (If you don't need the
sources.) I am pretty sure I have some stuff that would have been on each
of the 6 CDs, so for me it took a 6th of the download time to use ftp
instead if ISOs.

BTW, I selected a lot of "extras" during package selection, so the gain
would be larger for people with smaller needs. After all, who really needs
several desktop environments and the -devel packages for everything.

Cutting the download time to a 6th (or smaller) would mean even larger
time savings for modem users.

It is a different matter if you are going to install a whole bunch of
machines, but I only have one, so for me the ftp install was a huge
benefit. (And how many home users have a whole bunch of machines?)

Regards

Ole

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Post by Anders Johansson
Hmmm, I don't *think* so. Wouldn't that actually delete the matching parts
of

I just added a pipe-through filter using 'grep Hmmm' to try it out on your
mail. It worked, but it filtered out the headers, as you can tell by the
first line of this mail. I replied to the filtered mail and manually set the
subject.

I'll have to try that script out, now.

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Post by Anders Johansson
Hmmm, I don't *think* so. Wouldn't that actually delete the matching
parts of

I just added a pipe-through filter using 'grep Hmmm' to try it out on your
mail. It worked, but it filtered out the headers, as you can tell by the
first line of this mail.

Do you have more of my mail than the above line in your mail box, or did your
pipe-through filter delete everything except the above?

Anders

[James Oakley]

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Post by Anders Johansson
Hmmm, I don't *think* so. Wouldn't that actually delete the matching
parts of

I just added a pipe-through filter using 'grep Hmmm' to try it out on
your mail. It worked, but it filtered out the headers, as you can tell by
the first line of this mail.

Do you have more of my mail than the above line in your mail box, or did
your pipe-through filter delete everything except the above?

It deleted everything except that one line. It even deleted headers, so the
mail immediately became 'No subject'. No date, no from, etc. The effect was
permanent, so be careful. Don't use grep as a filter...

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Post by James Oakley
It deleted everything except that one line. It even deleted headers, so the
mail immediately became 'No subject'. No date, no from, etc. The effect was
permanent, so be careful. Don't use grep as a filter...

:)

OK, so my guess was right. What needs to be done is to hack kmail so it's
possible to insert a filter after the mail is loaded, but before the it's
sent to the text window.